Was Jesus a vegan? Part 11: Didn’t he support fishing?

In Luke and John, two of the 4 gospels in the Bible, the story is told of how Jesus performed a miracle where the future disciples were able to catch fish when it seemed hopeless. Yet this does not prove that Jesus supported fishing, or that fish were actually harmed. This is an misunderstanding. because of two important facts which are found in Luke 5: 10-11 (see the text in red in the scripture passage following these facts)

  1. Jesus never says that the fish were taken to market to be sold. For all we know, the fish were released.
  2. After Jesus performed the miracle of the disciples catching a huge amount of fish, and showing them that he was a very special person, he told them to forsake fishing fish–and become fishers of men.

Conclusion: Jesus needed to perform a miracle that would really inspire the future disciples to know that he was the Messiah, and thus motivate them to follow him. This miracle, being so connected to their needs and livelihood, was the the best way he could reach them.  This is more plausible than assuming that Jesus supported fishing. If Jesus supported fishing he would not be a vegan.

Luke 5:1-11 (New International Version) One day as Jesus was standing by the Lake of Gennesaret,[a] the people were crowding around him and listening to the word of God. He saw at the water’s edge two boats, left there by the fishermen, who were washing their nets. He got into one of the boats, the one belonging to Simon, and asked him to put out a little from shore. Then he sat down and taught the people from the boat.

When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”

Simon answered, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”

When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break. So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink.

When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!” For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken, 10 and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners.

Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.”11 So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him.

Another scripture that could be cited to prove that Jesus supported fishing is John 21:11

 

Was Jesus a Vegan? Part 10 Did Paul command Christians to eat meat? Did Peter’s dream demonstrate that Christians can eat anything? A thorough analysis of the word “meat” in scriptures

If Paul and Peter were vegan, surely they were inspired by Jesus who was most likely a vegan!

Reading this article by Richard Angelin helped me to be able to refute a number of arguments that Christians use to persuade me that being a vegan is unbiblical. I encourage you (and me!) to really study this. Studying complicated stuff helps keep your brain elastic and youthful, just in case you need incentive! And even more importantly is for us to be able to help Christians to study their Bible in a way that might open their eyes to the truth–that Jesus and leaders in the early Christian church–preached and practiced veganism.

Was Jesus A Vegan? Part 9: Didn’t Jesus Ask The Disciples For Meat?

In Luke 24:41, the only Bible translations that say that Jesus asked for meat are the King James Bible and the American King James Bible.

King James Bible
And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

American King James Version
And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said to them, Have you here any meat?

New International Version
And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

New Living Translation
Still they stood there in disbelief, filled with joy and wonder. Then he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

English Standard Version
And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”

Berean Study Bible
While they were still in disbelief because of their joy and amazement, He asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

Berean Literal Bible
And while they still were disbelieving for joy and were wondering, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”

New American Standard Bible
While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”

New King James Version
But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?”

Christian Standard Bible
But while they still were amazed and in disbelief because of their joy, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat? ”

Contemporary English Version
The disciples were so glad and amazed that they could not believe it. Jesus then asked them, “Do you have something to eat?”

Good News Translation
They still could not believe, they were so full of joy and wonder; so he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But while they still were amazed and unbelieving because of their joy, He asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

International Standard Version
Even though they were still skeptical due to their joy and astonishment, Jesus asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

NET Bible
And while they still could not believe it (because of their joy) and were amazed, he said to them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

New Heart English Bible
While they still did not believe for joy, and wondered, he said to them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Even until this moment they did not believe because of their joy, and they were awe-stricken. He said to them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

GOD’S WORD® Translation
The disciples were overcome with joy and amazement because this seemed too good to be true. Then Jesus asked them, “Do you have anything to eat?”

New American Standard 1977
And while they still could not believe it for joy and were marveling, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?”

Jubilee Bible 2000
And as they were not believing him yet for joy and wondering, he said unto them, Have ye here any food?

King James 2000 Bible
And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have you here any food?

American Standard Version
And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat?

Douay-Rheims Bible
But while they yet believed not, and wondered for joy, he said: Have you any thing to eat?

Darby Bible Translation
But while they yet did not believe for joy, and were wondering, he said to them, Have ye anything here to eat?

English Revised Version
And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat?

Webster’s Bible Translation
And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said to them, Have ye here any thing for food?

Weymouth New Testament
But, while they still could not believe it for joy and were full of astonishment, He asked them, “Have you any food here?”

World English Bible
While they still didn’t believe for joy, and wondered, he said to them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

Young’s Literal Translation
and while they are not believing from the joy, and wondering, he said to them, ‘Have ye anything here to eat?’

Why I initiated the creation of a petition about portraying Jesus as being vegan in a television series, The Chosen

The petition I am referring to can be found here. 
I am in the process of finishing an article where I use mostly the Bible, and references to the early Christians and early church fathers who have a lot of credibility with most Christians. I am hoping this will be the most complete article so far where anyone can discuss with Christians the question, “Was Jesus a vegan.”
 
I think most Christians will want to prove me wrong, and thus I will ask them to sit down with me and discuss the articles which will have lots of scriptural references.
 
This petition drew anger from the director, Dallas Jenkins, who did not like the fact that after he told me on a Youtube chat that he would never portray Jesus as a vegan, that I chose to initiate this petition. I have compassion for him–he had no idea what was coming.
 
The reason I wanted to get this petition going was because Dallas talked a lot bout how this television series that he created and is co-writing–is based on plausibility of what the Bible says. And he consults with Biblical scholars who help me make sure that what Jesus and others do–is plausible according to that culture and the Bible.
 
I did not appreciate that he thought he could just dismiss this question with out looking into the facts–which I found in a book called, Why All Christians Should Become Vegan by Ryan Hicks.
 
As a Christian for 20 years, and a person who intensely dislikes trying to debate with Christians who know the Bible a lot better than I do, I think I finally found a topic that will reveal to Christians that that Jesus really was a vegan. And for those Christians who want to be like Christ–this will force them to think about something that is very dear to their hearts.

Was Jesus A Vegan? Part 4: Didn’t he encourage the disciples to catch fish in Luke 5:1-11?

In the following passage, note the verse at the end in red which I will repeat here:

Luke: 5: 10-11 Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.”11 So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him.

Here is the whole passage:

Luke 5:1-11 One day as Jesus was standing by the Lake of Gennesaret,[a] the people were crowding around him and listening to the word of God. He saw at the water’s edge two boats, left there by the fishermen, who were washing their nets. He got into one of the boats, the one belonging to Simon, and asked him to put out a little from shore. Then he sat down and taught the people from the boat.

When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”

Simon answered, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”

When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break. So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink.

When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!” For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken, 10 and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners.

Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.”11 So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him.

Facts:
  • Jesus never says to take the fish to market. In fact, he tells them that he wants them no longer to work as fishermen, but to now be missionaries–fishers of men.
  • The passage doesn’t say they took the fish to market. The implication is that they let the fish go. I doubt if they would have left dying fish in the boats.
  • The disciples would have been very impressed by this miracle. The situation was right in their face–they hadn’t caught anything all night–now Jesus tells them to put down their nets, and a huge number of fish are caught.
  • Jesus was showing them his power so they would give up this barbaric lifestyle and become compassionate fishers of men

Conclusion: We can not tell for sure what happened to the fish, but the evidence points in the direction that they were never killed.  Therefore, Jesus was indirectly saying that he did not want fish to be killed. This would be the attitude of a vegan.

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Was Jesus a Vegan? Part 3: Didn’t he feed fish to the multitudes?

“…we see that Jesus Himself refers to the miracle of the feeding of the five thousand and the…four thousand and never mentions fish,” says Ryan Hicks in his book, Why Every Christian Should Be A Vegan.

When I looked into the Bible for verification, I was happy to see that this was so.

When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him twelve. And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? and they said, Seven. Mark 8:19-20

Do ye not yet understand neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?  Matthew 16:9-10

Was Jesus A Vegan? Part 2: more about the fish he supposedly ate in the book of John

According to Ryan Hicks, author of Why Every Christian Should Become A Vegan, Jesus did not eat fish in John 21:10.

“Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish (opsarion) which ye have now caught.”

Hicks explains, “It is very important to note that John uses a word that does not reference the actual animals we call “fish” when using the word “opsarion.” the etymology of this word is a little vague, but in my research of hundreds of Ancient Greek texts I found it used in a lot of ways including mainly referring to plant-life.”

I encourage you to look up this section in Ryan Hick’s book, found on page 146-148